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Post by Philadelphia 76'ers on Aug 30, 2009 19:06:17 GMT -5
Milwaukee recieves:Thaddeus Young (84) | $2,105,400 | $2,901,241 | $3,992,108 | $0 | $0 Willie Green (78) | $3,682,000 | $3,976,000 | $0 | $0 | $0 Jason Smith (70) | $1,418,880 | $2,187,913 (TO) | $3,135,279 (TO) | $0 | $0 2010 first round NBA draft pick TOTAL: $7,206,280 Philadelphia recieves:Jrue Holiday ( ) | Draft Rights Charlie Bell (78) | $3,596,000 | $3,844,000 | $4,092,000 | $0 | $0 | $0 Amir Johnson (74) | $3,666,666 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $0 2010 second round NBA draft pick TOTAL: $7,262,666 DIFFERENCE: $56,836I accept. I get a good starting point guard filled with potential, a possible backup at the 2 or 3 and a much needed backup at the 4.
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Aug 31, 2009 9:50:53 GMT -5
I accept. This turns a rookie with tons of potential but no real experience into a quality 3 who is also young with tons of potential. Thaddeus Young is only 21 (approx) and will continue to improve. Also, I turn Bell's contract into Willie Green who will be my backup 2 and also has 1 year less on his contract. Add in 2 additional draft picks and I think this deal works for me both short and long term.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Sept 1, 2009 2:20:29 GMT -5
I think Philly is giving a little too much for Jrue Holiday. Thaddeus Young + first for Jrue holiday? Maybe Amir Johnson is better than Jason Smith but is it so much that it balances the deal? I dont think so. Take out the draft picks and I might reconsider.
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Sept 1, 2009 7:31:35 GMT -5
Really? Without the picks it would be lopsided towards Philly and not a deal I would even come close to considering.
Another thing to consider is the fact that Green had to be included to make the salaries work and is actually a negative for me. I don't want the salary obligation but again, he was a throw in to make it work salary wise.
Amir Johnson is someone I didn't really want to give up but Philly insisted. He is a huge upgrade over Jason Smith.
Obviously I like this deal for me or I wouldn't have agreed to it but I certainly feel it is fair to both teams, depending on your viewpoint.
Philly, you want to explain your thought process a little more?
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Post by Philadelphia 76'ers on Sept 1, 2009 7:52:47 GMT -5
Well the salaries would've worked if I took out Green and you took out Bell, but you didn't want to give up Johnson that easily. So I just included both of my draft picks to sweeten the deal. Though Charlotte does have a point. If this trade doesn't go through with the CM's, I guess we'd have to get rid of Green and Bell or my two draft picks. Either works for me, as long as I get Jrue and Amir, lol.
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on Sept 1, 2009 10:15:29 GMT -5
Below is the career stats of of two players involved in this deal, which doesn't look like much of an improvement to me. player a; 3.7ppg 1.1bpg 3.8rpg
player b; 4.5ppg 0.6bpg 3.0rpg
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Sept 1, 2009 10:28:34 GMT -5
i decline
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Sept 1, 2009 12:05:44 GMT -5
Wow, I spend 30 PM's working a fair deal out with another owner and I simply get, "I decline".
What exactly is being said, that Philly doesn't have enough sense to make his own deals?
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Post by New York Knicks on Sept 1, 2009 12:07:07 GMT -5
I gotta say, Philly is simply giving up too much in this deal. Same as Charlotte said, if the picks are taken out, I probably agree to it, or for me if at least the 1st is taken out, I'd probably be ok with it.
As it is I'm not a fan.
Reject
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Sept 1, 2009 13:27:33 GMT -5
I was a little upset by this at first but now I just want to work it out and move forward. I was going to renegotiate with Philly but figured I needed to get the ok with you guys first.
I really need that 1st rounder as I have another deal in the works where I am passing it on. How about Philly takes the 2nd rounder out of the deal and I add a 2nd rounder of my own for him. Any better? Thanks.
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Post by Philadelphia 76'ers on Sept 1, 2009 15:59:34 GMT -5
Edited. I took back my 2010 second round pick and Milwaukee added his 2010 second round pick. Maybe this might be enough to make the CM's reconsider.
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Post by Philadelphia 76'ers on Sept 3, 2009 8:38:21 GMT -5
Since this trade hasn't got much feedback since it was edited, this has opened the window for other offers to come my way. One of which was significantly better than this one. And since it looks like this trade will be rejected anyway, I'll have to change my accept to a decline. I apologize to Milwaukee.
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Sept 3, 2009 9:00:41 GMT -5
What in the hell? We are waiting for approval, after you accept and then post another trade? That doesn't seem right at all to me.
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Post by Philadelphia 76'ers on Sept 3, 2009 9:01:59 GMT -5
We have three rejects already? Isn't that how many you need until a final rejection?
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Sept 3, 2009 9:02:51 GMT -5
No one has rejected it after the change was submitted.
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