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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 25, 2009 8:44:55 GMT -5
Here are the exact differences in the two plans:
Real-Life-
-Bird rights can be traded with player. Therefore, if a player has not signed a new FA contract with a new team within the last three years, a team can go over the cap to re-sign him.
-Cannot go over hard-cap to re-sign. Hard cap is equal to $85 million.
Strict cap-
-Bird rights cannot be traded. They are equal to one full season on your team in this league, which the warm-up season doesn't count.
-Cannot go over hard cap, which is $15 million more than the soft cap.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 28, 2009 9:52:41 GMT -5
OKC and MEM are the main ones that had a problem with these rules and they are now gone from inactivity
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 2, 2009 21:45:03 GMT -5
How about bird rights in 2009?
Can Lakers re-sign Odom, Ariza for instance?
Or Orlando Hedo Turkoglu?
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 3, 2009 8:20:52 GMT -5
Yes, everyone has bird rights in 2009.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 3, 2009 9:26:48 GMT -5
But I can offer them simultaneously and the player's agents decide?
Btw, I think it's pretty crazy that Turkoglu and VC are both on the Magic.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 3, 2009 9:45:23 GMT -5
it was just the timing of the league that VC had been traded and turkoglu hadn't signed anywhere, but my brother is Orlando and i don't think he is re-signing turkoglu (but i can't speak for him)
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Aug 3, 2009 13:25:59 GMT -5
If we are going with real life, then are we using the real life soft cap, which is around 54 mil i think?
If not I think we should go with strict cap. There are not so many issues with resigning players as in real life, and we have no luxury taxes, so a strict cap would make teams think hard about their teams future before making a trade, instead of making a trade just for the sake of trading.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 4, 2009 7:51:18 GMT -5
I agree with Bobcats. The cap for 2009/2010 is actually $57.7 million.
Last year it was even higher, $ 58.7 M.
So if boils down to picking an easy number, I'd say 60 makes more sense than 50.
Especially since it will be much harder than irl imo to lure a good player away from the team that has bird rights.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 4, 2009 8:21:13 GMT -5
guys we aren't changing anything in regards to the cap and re-signing rules. we've beaten this horse to death
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 4, 2009 9:14:56 GMT -5
Dude, you got a lot to learn about running a succesfull league.
At this point this discussion is much more lively than the league itself, so if I'd have to pick what the dead horse is...
A little democracy and common sense would help a lot.
Also goes to to the CM's and trade approvals.
Bc, on a sidenote: you also didn't (dis)approve the Atlanta/Memphis trade yet, even though you've been online - and you mentioned something like that yourself. Probably bc you didn't notice it more than anything, but it just goes to show that it's a tedious proces.
(joined a different league last friday and there's been more trades made there than here)
The fact that you don't take any of the suggestions seriously because you've got it all figured out is useless. Just makes me think you think you know everything better. If so, you should be able to exlain the position and convince others it makes sense, not impose your will. That won't keep the customers satisfied, so to speak.
I have other suggestions too that would improve the forum imo, but I'm thinking why bother?
I'll take my chances with the 50 cap, but that doesn't make it NOT a bullshit rule.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 4, 2009 9:52:11 GMT -5
You weren't here for the previous Memphis GM's constant bickering and the endless foray of arguing that ensued so I wouldn't expect you to see what I mean in regards to the dead horse thing. We went over it a thousand times and I ended up making excessive concessions. This vote was the democratic way of solving the issue on the rules of re-signing players, I never said I knew it better.
In terms of the cap, I made it $65 million because that's the way it was in D5 and that is where the majority of the GM's in this league come from. It's a high enough cap where teams aren't crippled by real-life GM mistakes, but low enough that low-salary teams still have a leg up on the lesser-financially stable teams.
As for accepting your trade, I haven't responded to it yet because I have been trying to compile a list of free agents for the off-season. Its not like I'm holding it up from getting approved...
The trade process is not that tedious, you make a trade and get it approved. What is hard about that? You think it is difficult to post your own trades and then change your salary and depth chart, then try processing trades for the entire league. Trading has died down right now because there are so many inactive GM's so I finally have the time to work on some other important off-season things.
Considering the amount of rules that I have put up for league vote, I would say that I have been pretty fair about things. I'm not going to apologize because you came in this league later and brought up a topic that is long dead (and this argument lost us a lot of GM's btw) and already decided.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 16, 2009 5:53:40 GMT -5
Well I thought you made the cap 50, not 65. (with 50 it would be kind of crippling imo)
Maybe the trade accepting will be smoother if the league is lively, which it seems more now.
Just was a little frustrating that I was negotiating all kinds of deals but essentially I couldn't close them. Definitely didn't mean it personal, I'm just used to expressing my opinion without hesitation.
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