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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 12:59:22 GMT -5
this is the same f**king rule that d5 had! so you're saying that a team over the cap just has to give all their FA's away and not get anything? by saying that you are pretty much not allowing teams to get good cuz they can only afford one great player at a time. money is only half of it. and in case you have trouble reading, the player has to be on their team for a full season for them to be able to go over...at the rate GM's trade in this league that will apply to like four players. sign-and-trades are an option too btw! only a handful of teams would be able to sign FA's if we didn't let teams go over to re-sign and that would be stupid.
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Post by inactive-LAC on Jul 9, 2009 12:59:48 GMT -5
Why don't you just make it to where teams can't go over the soft cap, like in real life?
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:02:02 GMT -5
they can to re-sign their own players...
Dallas went over to re-sign Kidd.
Toronto went over to re-sign Marion.
Orlando went over to re-sign Turk.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 9, 2009 13:02:34 GMT -5
what about make the hard cap something like 75M ? are you crazy. then NO BODY is gonna be able to sign ANY player. If anything make it like D5 and remove hard caps. you must have 3 full years in this league of players to get their BIRD RIGHTS, and when a team is under cap or over or whatever, they can go over cap to resign that player VIA bird rights. That's a better idea then putting Hard Caps at 75 million are you crazy.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:02:51 GMT -5
Lakers can go over to re-sign odom.
Orlando can go over to keep Gortat.
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Post by inactive-LAC on Jul 9, 2009 13:03:46 GMT -5
Orlando didn't resign Turk, Toronto didn't resign Marion.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:04:06 GMT -5
what about make the hard cap something like 75M ? are you crazy. then NO BODY is gonna be able to sign ANY player. If anything make it like D5 and remove hard caps. you must have 3 full years in this league of players to get their BIRD RIGHTS, and when a team is under cap or over or whatever, they can go over cap to resign that player VIA bird rights. That's a better idea then putting Hard Caps at 75 million are you crazy. I made it one year. three years is WAY too long for a sim league. one year is pretty long in here
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:04:57 GMT -5
Orlando didn't resign Turk, Toronto didn't resign Marion. yes they did. they sent them in a sign-and-trade but they signed them first. thats the point of sign-and-trades, teams can over the cap to re-sign their own players but no one else can
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 9, 2009 13:06:03 GMT -5
Yea actually they did LAC. They made them both part of "sign and trades". Even in that case, you have to have the cap/be able to sign them, in order to sign them before you can trade them.
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Post by inactive-LAC on Jul 9, 2009 13:10:07 GMT -5
Oh I thought they could only do it if was a sign and trade, I was wondering how Vareajo got all that money lol. Well whatever I'll just shut up now, just get me plenty of FA's
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:12:57 GMT -5
MEM: This exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. The player essentially must play for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to six years in length. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. This exception is known as the Larry Bird exception because the Celtics were the first team allowed to exceed the cap to keep their own free agent, and the player happened to be Bird. From members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Jul 9, 2009 13:21:55 GMT -5
this sounds good.
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Post by inactive-MEM on Jul 9, 2009 13:26:04 GMT -5
MEM: This exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. The player essentially must play for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to six years in length. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. This exception is known as the Larry Bird exception because the Celtics were the first team allowed to exceed the cap to keep their own free agent, and the player happened to be Bird. From members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19that is something completely different. bird rights are available when a player has been with a team for 3 years. if we do HAVE to have contract extensions (so you can resign marion), then i think a team should have to have cap room to do it. if we are gonna say that the hard cap is 90 mil and you can go up to the hard cap even without bird rights, then we may as well abolish salaries altogether.
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Jul 9, 2009 13:28:43 GMT -5
We should just do it like real life and I believe you can resign players and go over cap.
If people offer recklessly and give every 85+ player a 20 mil contract, then the hard cap can easily be gone over.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 13:33:01 GMT -5
in our league we are using bird rights but it only takes a full season. 22 out of the 30 nba teams are over the salary cap. thats not even including players like Turk, marion, ariza, artest, rasheed, etc that were just signed as FA. Having salary room gives you the ability to offer much more money than anyone else can. no one is gonna go broke for a player unless its lebron or something. if we didn't do this, four or five teams would control all of the FA's. Do you think its fair to teams like Utah who inherited AK's shitty contract? that one contract would keep him from re-signing his own players in boozer, okur, or millsap and leave his team only with williams, brewer, and ak. our cap is ten mil higher than IRL and if we did the real salary cap everyone in this league except like two teams would be over, so teams like yourself are already getting an advantage
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