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Post by Phoenix Suns on Jul 9, 2009 16:01:31 GMT -5
I think its fine now...
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 16:03:39 GMT -5
its fine now as in the original or the compromise?
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Jul 9, 2009 16:06:05 GMT -5
the last one, about making the hard cap 15M higher...I think its fine
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Post by inactive-OKC on Jul 9, 2009 16:11:13 GMT -5
A team can go over the cap to resign a player when that team has it's bird rights.
Now, I think bird rights could be the 1 year thing. However, it would have to mean that that team has that player from game 1 to game 82 to have it's bird rights. And this warm-up season wouldn't count as 1 season.
So Marion, Artest, and other players who are expiring that were just traded would have just voided the bird rights to any team. Dallas and Phoenix do not have bird rights and can not go over the soft cap to resign them.
I don't think you should be able to trade bird rights.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 9, 2009 16:12:28 GMT -5
okay here's a better idea.
DISCARDING the warm up season and what happens there first.
1. have a permanent salary of 65-70 mil, with 90 mil hardcap.
2. if your over cap IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM, you CANNOT re-sign your own players.
3. If you are under cap and want to go over cap to keep your FA (YOU CAN ONLY SIGN ONE PLAYER OUTTA TIME, that means you can't sign 2 or 3 players at same time and keep them like Bosh and Lebron and then use the excuse well I didn't know rules or whatever giving same player 2 offers at same time, so be careful with that.)
if they don't like that THEN
do contract EXTENSIONS with one of two ways. one if you have players bird rights for 2 years (3 too long) then you can go over cap to re-sign that player. But if you want to resign him (WITH NO BIRD RIGHTS) you cannot go over the salary cap for the FIRST YEAR, backload the contract if needed but first year must be within cap (so cap 65 mil, you have 55 mil salary locked up, you can only pay 10 mil FOR FIRST YEAR, but have bird rights then go over cap.)
4. Salary Max starts should be at 18 mil but you can't pay more then 25 mil final year (that's too prevent teams from overpaying some players and thinking they are superstars when they are not.)
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 16:15:16 GMT -5
A team can go over the cap to resign a player when that team has it's bird rights. Now, I think bird rights could be the 1 year thing. However, it would have to mean that that team has that player from game 1 to game 82 to have it's bird rights. And this warm-up season wouldn't count as 1 season. So Marion, Artest, and other players who are expiring that were just traded would have just voided the bird rights to any team. Dallas and Phoenix do not have bird rights and can not go over the soft cap to resign them. I don't think you should be able to trade bird rights. the warm-up season is 82 games so it WOULD count (once again this has nothing to do with Marion, i have more than enough cap to re-sign him without going over)
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Jul 9, 2009 16:16:28 GMT -5
A team can go over the cap to resign a player when that team has it's bird rights. Now, I think bird rights could be the 1 year thing. However, it would have to mean that that team has that player from game 1 to game 82 to have it's bird rights. And this warm-up season wouldn't count as 1 season. So Marion, Artest, and other players who are expiring that were just traded would have just voided the bird rights to any team. Dallas and Phoenix do not have bird rights and can not go over the soft cap to resign them. I don't think you should be able to trade bird rights. why not count? I got Artest before the league even start...
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 9, 2009 16:16:28 GMT -5
A team can go over the cap to resign a player when that team has it's bird rights. Now, I think bird rights could be the 1 year thing. However, it would have to mean that that team has that player from game 1 to game 82 to have it's bird rights. And this warm-up season wouldn't count as 1 season. So Marion, Artest, and other players who are expiring that were just traded would have just voided the bird rights to any team. Dallas and Phoenix do not have bird rights and can not go over the soft cap to resign them. I don't think you should be able to trade bird rights. dude it's not ABOUT MARION, why the heck would he trade Josh Howard for an expiring contract then, and Howard is CHEAPER and probably better now then Marion is.
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Jul 9, 2009 16:17:48 GMT -5
okay here's a better idea. DISCARDING the warm up season and what happens there first. 1. have a permanent salary of 65-70 mil, with 90 mil hardcap. 2. if your over cap IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM, you CANNOT re-sign your own players. 3. If you are under cap and want to go over cap to keep your FA (YOU CAN ONLY SIGN ONE PLAYER OUTTA TIME, that means you can't sign 2 or 3 players at same time and keep them like Bosh and Lebron and then use the excuse well I didn't know rules or whatever giving same player 2 offers at same time, so be careful with that.) if they don't like that THEN do contract EXTENSIONS with one of two ways. one if you have players bird rights for 2 years (3 too long) then you can go over cap to re-sign that player. But if you want to resign him (WITH NO BIRD RIGHTS) you cannot go over the salary cap for the FIRST YEAR, backload the contract if needed but first year must be within cap (so cap 65 mil, you have 55 mil salary locked up, you can only pay 10 mil FOR FIRST YEAR, but have bird rights then go over cap.) 4. Salary Max starts should be at 18 mil but you can't pay more then 25 mil final year (that's too prevent teams from overpaying some players and thinking they are superstars when they are not.) so number 2 there means that if I have 65,000,001 in salaries Ill lose my player ?
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 9, 2009 16:19:08 GMT -5
okay here's a better idea. DISCARDING the warm up season and what happens there first. 1. have a permanent salary of 65-70 mil, with 90 mil hardcap. 2. if your over cap IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM, you CANNOT re-sign your own players. 3. If you are under cap and want to go over cap to keep your FA (YOU CAN ONLY SIGN ONE PLAYER OUTTA TIME, that means you can't sign 2 or 3 players at same time and keep them like Bosh and Lebron and then use the excuse well I didn't know rules or whatever giving same player 2 offers at same time, so be careful with that.) if they don't like that THEN do contract EXTENSIONS with one of two ways. one if you have players bird rights for 2 years (3 too long) then you can go over cap to re-sign that player. But if you want to resign him (WITH NO BIRD RIGHTS) you cannot go over the salary cap for the FIRST YEAR, backload the contract if needed but first year must be within cap (so cap 65 mil, you have 55 mil salary locked up, you can only pay 10 mil FOR FIRST YEAR, but have bird rights then go over cap.) 4. Salary Max starts should be at 18 mil but you can't pay more then 25 mil final year (that's too prevent teams from overpaying some players and thinking they are superstars when they are not.) so number 2 there means that if I have 65,000,001 in salaries Ill lose my player ? yes. that's the only way to make this compromise work. both sides are gonna be bitching regardless and it's never gonna end. the small teams are gonna cry about not signing star FREE AGENTS, while the big team will cry about not getting to keep their star player. and you can't go with the 15 mil hardcap because New Orleans, me, Boston, Denver, Knicks, and Cavs are almost hitting the 80 mil mark, so we would have ZERO flexibility without blasting our teams to smithereens. and if your over cap you have the power for the MLE if you want to sign a star player who is older and maybe wants championships. just sayin.
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Post by inactive-OKC on Jul 9, 2009 16:22:20 GMT -5
A team can go over the cap to resign a player when that team has it's bird rights. Now, I think bird rights could be the 1 year thing. However, it would have to mean that that team has that player from game 1 to game 82 to have it's bird rights. And this warm-up season wouldn't count as 1 season. So Marion, Artest, and other players who are expiring that were just traded would have just voided the bird rights to any team. Dallas and Phoenix do not have bird rights and can not go over the soft cap to resign them. I don't think you should be able to trade bird rights. why not count? I got Artest before the league even start... Because this is not a real season. It doesn't count. It is a "warm-up" season, a preseason. Not a legit season. It's just to get a feel for your team. Our real season starts 09-10. And LAL, I'm talking about Marion and Artest because those are two people that were just traded that expire this offseason. They are expiring contracts. And you traded for them. You don't own their bird rights so you can not go over the soft cap to resign them. This is what I'm proposing and seems logical.
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Jul 9, 2009 16:23:25 GMT -5
Dude, Its worse for someone to LOSE a player, than for someone to NOT HAVE that player...I think that the team who has the player should always have some advantage...
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jul 9, 2009 16:23:43 GMT -5
but the thing is we DO own their bird rights
and the warm-up season counts.
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Post by inactive-OKC on Jul 9, 2009 16:26:09 GMT -5
I don't think everyone understands exactly what's going on here. This isn't about "small" teams not being able to sign a star player. It's about the free agent market and league activity. You need to see the big picture here.
If there are only 3-5 legit free agents on the market all the teams with cap space are going to waste their money on those players! That's how you have ridiculous contracts. Furthermore, with a less talented FA crop activity decreases through a lack of interest.
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Post by inactive-OKC on Jul 9, 2009 16:27:23 GMT -5
but the thing is we DO own their bird rights and the warm-up season counts. It's a preseason? It's a warm-up season? How does that translate into counting as a legit season? It's a quick test for your team. Nothing else...
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